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Rain-Islet: [bot] Batch update {{Bugs}} templates.

2025-07-02T15:48:25Z

[bot] Batch update {{Bugs}} templates.

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	With the addition of {{f\|Natural\|yes\|link}} tag to defensive structures or AA units, a kind of inbetween scenario can be achieved. [[TechnoTypes]] with <tt>Natural</tt> will not attack others with {{f\|Unnatural\|yes\|link}}. With some clever application a modder can more finely tune which targets are valid for a defender.		With the addition of {{f\|Natural\|yes\|link}} tag to defensive structures or AA units, a kind of inbetween scenario can be achieved. [[TechnoTypes]] with <tt>Natural</tt> will not attack others with {{f\|Unnatural\|yes\|link}}. With some clever application a modder can more finely tune which targets are valid for a defender.

	{{bugs}}		=={{bugs}}==
	One quirk of the way AA [[Weapons\|weapons]] are handled, is that [[Paradrops\|paradropped]] infantry cannot be fired upon by the defender, unless it has {{f\|LandTargeting\|1\|link}}, and the weapon has <tt>AG=yes</tt> on their [[Projectile\|projectile]]. This seems to be because the falling infantry is still considered a 'ground' unit.		One quirk of the way AA [[Weapons\|weapons]] are handled, is that [[Paradrops\|paradropped]] infantry cannot be fired upon by the defender, unless it has {{f\|LandTargeting\|1\|link}}, and the weapon has <tt>AG=yes</tt> on their [[Projectile\|projectile]]. This seems to be because the falling infantry is still considered a 'ground' unit.

	While <tt>SAM=yes</tt> functions well on homing-missile based AA units/buildings, the same can't be said for gun based ones like the Flak Cannon. Making the Flak Cannon a <tt>SAM</tt> will cause it to rotate to follow the airborne target, but not fire unless the trajectory is just right for that rotation. This leads to a case where firing is inconsistent and far below it's expected [[ROF]].		While <tt>SAM=yes</tt> functions well on homing-missile based AA units/buildings, the same can't be said for gun based ones like the Flak Cannon. Making the Flak Cannon a <tt>SAM</tt> will cause it to rotate to follow the airborne target, but not fire unless the trajectory is just right for that rotation. This leads to a case where firing is inconsistent and far below it's expected [[ROF]].

ATHSE at 07:07, 12 April 2025

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 With the addition of {{f|Natural|yes|link}} tag to defensive structures or AA units, a kind of inbetween scenario can be achieved. [[TechnoTypes]] with <tt>Natural</tt> will not attack others with {{f|Unnatural|yes|link}}. With some clever application a modder can more finely tune which targets are valid for a defender.
-==Note==
+{{bugs}}
-Aircraft designated as targets must not exist in the [General]►{{f|PadAircraft|link}} list;
+One quirk of the way AA [[Weapons|weapons]] are handled, is that [[Paradrops|paradropped]] infantry cannot be fired upon by the defender, unless it has {{f|LandTargeting|1|link}}, and the weapon has <tt>AG=yes</tt> on their [[Projectile|projectile]]. This seems to be because the falling infantry is still considered a 'ground' unit.
-Aircraft designated as targets cannot have a valid building in their {{f|Dock|link}} list;
+While <tt>SAM=yes</tt> functions well on homing-missile based AA units/buildings, the same can't be said for gun based ones like the Flak Cannon. Making the Flak Cannon a <tt>SAM</tt> will cause it to rotate to follow the airborne target, but not fire unless the trajectory is just right for that rotation. This leads to a case where firing is inconsistent and far below it's expected [[ROF]].

ATHSE at 06:08, 12 April 2025

2025-04-12T06:08:31Z

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	==In {{ra2}}==		==In {{ra2}}==
	This tag is unused in RA2, since the many [[Jumpjet]] units (like Kirovs) would be untargetable, but is perfectly valid. Adding it to a Patriot battery or Flak gun would drastically reduce their effectiveness, and other units or defenses would be required to fire at the targets the <tt>SAM</tt> won't.		This tag is unused in RA2, since the many [[Jumpjet]] units (like Kirovs) would be untargetable, but is perfectly valid. Adding it to a Patriot battery or Flak gun would drastically reduce their effectiveness, and other units or defenses would be required to fire at the targets the <tt>SAM</tt> won't. It is generally better to use [[Armor\|armor]] for target filtering.

	==In {{yr}}==		==In {{yr}}==

ATHSE at 06:07, 12 April 2025

2025-04-12T06:07:34Z

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	==In {{ra2}}==		==In {{ra2}}==
	This tag is unused in RA2, since the many [[Jumpjet]] units would be untargetable, but is perfectly valid. Adding it to a Patriot battery or Flak gun would drastically reduce their effectiveness, and other units or defenses would be required to fire at the targets the <tt>SAM</tt> won't/.		This tag is unused in RA2, since the many [[Jumpjet]] units (like Kirovs) would be untargetable, but is perfectly valid. Adding it to a Patriot battery or Flak gun would drastically reduce their effectiveness, and other units or defenses would be required to fire at the targets the <tt>SAM</tt> won't.

	==In {{yr}}==		==In {{yr}}==

ATHSE: pass2

2025-04-12T06:06:02Z

pass2

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	==In {{ra2}}==		==In {{ra2}}==
	This tag is unused in RA2, but is perfectly valid. Adding it to a Patriot battery or Flak gun would drastically reduce their effectiveness, and other units or defenses would be required to fire at the targets the <tt>SAM</tt> won't/.		This tag is unused in RA2, since the many [[Jumpjet]] units would be untargetable, but is perfectly valid. Adding it to a Patriot battery or Flak gun would drastically reduce their effectiveness, and other units or defenses would be required to fire at the targets the <tt>SAM</tt> won't/.

	==In {{yr}}==		==In {{yr}}==

ATHSE at 06:01, 12 April 2025

2025-04-12T06:01:59Z

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	Can be set to <tt>yes</tt> in order to restrict a defensive [[BuildingType\|structure]] to being a SAM (surface to air missile launcher) site. When enabled, the weapons can only fire at [[AircraftTypes\|aircraft]] and not at [[Hover\|hovering]]/flying [[VehicleTypes\|vehicles]], nor at airborne [[InfantryTypes\|infantry]].		Can be set to <tt>yes</tt> in order to restrict a defensive [[BuildingType\|structure]] to being a SAM (surface to air missile launcher) site. When enabled, the weapons can only fire at [[AircraftTypes\|aircraft]] and not at [[Hover\|hovering]]/flying [[VehicleTypes\|vehicles]], nor at airborne [[InfantryTypes\|infantry]].

	~~NOTE: this~~ is unused in ~~[[Red Alert 2]] as the use of this means that the structure will not fire [[InfantryTypes]]~~,~~[[VehicleTypes]] with {{f\|JumpJet\|yes\|link}} set~~ or ~~acquire them as~~ targets ~~- it will only target [[AircraftTypes]].~~<br>		==In {{ra2}}==
	~~----~~		This tag is unused in RA2, but is perfectly valid. Adding it to a Patriot battery or Flak gun would drastically reduce their effectiveness, and other units or defenses would be required to fire at the targets the <tt>SAM</tt> won't/.
	~~(For [[YR]] only) Because the [[SAM]] tag has many limitations If you want give [[BuildingTypes]] '''(AA Tower)''' The fake '''SAM~~=~~yes''' effect can be used<br> I recommend that you use~~ the {{f\|Natural\|yes\|link}} tag ~~for~~ [[~~BuildingTypes~~]] ~~'''(AA Tower)'''~~
	~~And use the tag~~ {{f\|Unnatural\|yes\|link}} for ~~[[InfantryTypes]],[[VehicleTypes]],[[AircraftTypes]] All that can fly.<br>[[File:Fake '''Sam''' effect~~.~~gif]]<br>~~		==In {{yr}}==
			With the addition of {{f\|Natural\|yes\|link}} tag to defensive structures or AA units, a kind of inbetween scenario can be achieved. [[TechnoTypes]] with <tt>Natural</tt> will not attack others with {{f\|Unnatural\|yes\|link}}. With some clever application a modder can more finely tune which targets are valid for a defender.

	==Note==		==Note==
	This is unused in [[Red Alert 2]] as the use of this means that the structure will not fire [[InfantryTypes]],[[VehicleTypes]] with {{f\|JumpJet\|yes\|link}} set or acquire them as targets - it will only target [[AircraftTypes]].

	Aircraft designated as targets must not exist in the [General]►{{f\|PadAircraft\|link}} list;		Aircraft designated as targets must not exist in the [General]►{{f\|PadAircraft\|link}} list;
	*otherwise, the SAM will not even aim.		*otherwise, the SAM will not even aim.

ATHSE: pass1

2025-04-12T05:51:22Z

pass1

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	Can be set to ~~''' '~~yes~~' ''' or ''' 'no' ''' and determines that this~~ BuildingType is a SAM ~~'''~~(surface to air missile launcher)~~''' and thus its~~ weapons can only fire at AircraftTypes.~~<br>~~		Can be set to <tt>yes</tt> in order to restrict a defensive [[BuildingType\|structure]] to being a SAM (surface to air missile launcher) site. When enabled, the weapons can only fire at [[AircraftTypes\|aircraft]] and not at [[Hover\|hovering]]/flying [[VehicleTypes\|vehicles]], nor at airborne [[InfantryTypes\|infantry]].

	NOTE: this is unused in [[Red Alert 2]] as the use of this means that the structure will not fire [[InfantryTypes]],[[VehicleTypes]] with {{f\|JumpJet\|yes\|link}} set or acquire them as targets - it will only target [[AircraftTypes]].<br>		NOTE: this is unused in [[Red Alert 2]] as the use of this means that the structure will not fire [[InfantryTypes]],[[VehicleTypes]] with {{f\|JumpJet\|yes\|link}} set or acquire them as targets - it will only target [[AircraftTypes]].<br>
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2025-03-31T20:03:56Z

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en>Testid123 at 05:49, 24 January 2025

2025-01-24T05:49:48Z

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	However, even so, the SAM can only fire its weapons normally when the target aircraft is in a hover state. Once the aircraft moves, it will only occasionally fire a few shots under specific conditions and the frequency of re-locking and turret rotation in this case does not adhere to the weapon's {{f\|ROF\|link}} settings, nor is it a fixed value. Even the aforementioned situation of suddenly firing two rounds can occur without facing the target, even if there is no [Weapon] > {{f\|OmniFire\|yes\|link}}. Additionally, SAM enforces attacks only on aerial targets, meaning it cannot fire at targets that have landed on the ground, even if they do not have {{f\|LandTargeting\|1\|link}}.		However, even so, the SAM can only fire its weapons normally when the target aircraft is in a hover state. Once the aircraft moves, it will only occasionally fire a few shots under specific conditions and the frequency of re-locking and turret rotation in this case does not adhere to the weapon's {{f\|ROF\|link}} settings, nor is it a fixed value. Even the aforementioned situation of suddenly firing two rounds can occur without facing the target, even if there is no [Weapon] > {{f\|OmniFire\|yes\|link}}. Additionally, SAM enforces attacks only on aerial targets, meaning it cannot fire at targets that have landed on the ground, even if they do not have {{f\|LandTargeting\|1\|link}}.

	In other words, SAM targets can only be Aircraft that have {{f\|AirportBound\|yes\|link}}, {{f\|Dock\|none\|link}}, and have taken off.		In other words, SAM targets can only be Aircraft that have {{f\|AirportBound\|yes\|link}}, {{f\|Dock\|none\|link}}, and have taken off.<br>
			Currently measured:<br>
			In the YR1.001+Ares3.0p1+PhobosBuild#45 environment<br>
			it is functioning normally.<br>
			In the YR1.001+Ares3.0p1+KratosPPv0.1.15 environment<br>
			the SAM building will be prohibited from acquiring targets<br>
			*(the author of KratosPP stated that this part was not modified at all, and the author does not understand this logic either).<br>
			In the YR1.001+Ares3.0p1+PhobosBuild#45+KratosPPv0.1.15 environment<br>
			the SAM can acquire targets normally<br>
			but firing will immediately trigger a Fatal Error, and the EIP address is not in gamemd.exe (the record doesn't really mean much, hence it's not included in the EIP page.).<br>

en>Testid123 at 05:40, 24 January 2025

2025-01-24T05:40:12Z

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	Can be set to ''' 'yes' ''' or ''' 'no' ''' and determines that this BuildingType is a SAM '''(surface to air missile launcher)''' and thus its weapons can only fire at AircraftTypes.<br>		Can be set to ''' 'yes' ''' or ''' 'no' ''' and determines that this BuildingType is a SAM '''(surface to air missile launcher)''' and thus its weapons can only fire at AircraftTypes.<br>
			NOTE: this is unused in [[Red Alert 2]] as the use of this means that the structure will not fire [[InfantryTypes]],[[VehicleTypes]] with {{f\|JumpJet\|yes\|link}} set or acquire them as targets - it will only target [[AircraftTypes]].<br>
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			(For [[YR]] only) Because the [[SAM]] tag has many limitations If you want give [[BuildingTypes]] '''(AA Tower)''' The fake '''SAM=yes''' effect can be used<br> I recommend that you use the {{f\|Natural\|yes\|link}} tag for [[BuildingTypes]] '''(AA Tower)'''
			And use the tag {{f\|Unnatural\|yes\|link}} for [[InfantryTypes]],[[VehicleTypes]],[[AircraftTypes]] All that can fly.<br>[[File:Fake '''Sam''' effect.gif]]<br>

	==Note==		==Note==